Listen to April Pride in a special two-part conversation with KA! Empathogenics founder and CEO Stephanie Wang about nature’s ancient empathogen, the kanna plant.

Across both episodes, they explore Kanna (Sceletium tortuosum), a succulent plant native to South Africa known for its heart-opening and empathy-enhancing qualities. Sometimes called “nature’s MDMA,” Kanna works as a natural SRI, supporting emotional balance and resilience without the risks associated with synthetic compounds.

Stephanie shares her journey from film producer to plant medicine entrepreneur, KA!’s mission to restore full-spectrum aliveness, and why Kanna is here to transform how we relate to ourselves and each other. The conversation spans the science behind Kanna, its indigenous history, contraindications and proper use, as well as KA!’s vision for weaving empathogenic healing into everyday life.

Together, April and Stephanie dive into bigger questions too: society’s growing embrace of natural remedies, the preparedness for psychedelic substances across different cultures, and what it really means to live connected, heart-first.

✨ Tune into both parts to experience a deep dive into Kanna’s wisdom and the mission of KA!

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